Your ability to remain sane, balanced and compassionate in the face of all that gets thrown at you is amazing, admirable, and inspiring. Thank you for continuing to engage, and for the summer read tips that might help the rest of us retain some balance as well!
I was EXTREMELY angry at Peterson on your behalf, especially the accusation that you are new to the gender wars. You said that that was one subject you both agreed on DURING the infamous interview! Since he keeps on harping back to it it's odd that he's forgotten that part. & it's not a competition but I'd guess you've got as much stick from your views (and loss of earnings, contracts etc) as he has, if not more. Anyway. My absolute fave summer read is To Say Nothing of the Dog by Connie Willis. A sweet, thoughtful, engaging book.
I'm venturing to guess that for some conservative men like Petersen and Matt Walsh it's important, as the tide turns, to position themselves as Having Known All Along Unlike You Dumb Feminists.
Along with “where are the feminists?” while women were banned from Reddit, Twitter, etc for attempting to speak about where the more extreme aspects of gender ideology were going, there’s now a concerted effort being made to pretend that no left leaning person anywhere noticed anything amiss until American right wingers did.
I guess on the miniscule chance that Peterson *was* using the Charli XCX version, you could just reply with a link to Von Dutch whose lyrics are perfect as a riposte.
On books having sex scenes the TV shows don’t have, when I as about 12 my mum gave me the book of Jaws to read, about halfway through there’s a 2 page fairly graphic sex scene between Brody and his wife (from memory)
For decades I thought this was my mum’s sneaky way of having the talk with me but then a few years ago I bought it up and it turns out mum had no idea what I was talking about and had just completely forgotten that scene was in the book 😀
That sounds more likely now you mention it, the main reason it stuck in my head wasn’t the plot but my mistaken theory it was my mum’s cowardly way of having the talk with me 😀
"Defy the gods" is also hubristic and fits with a contemporary superego that views humility, uncertainty, and openness to the insights of others as pathetic and weak
I believe the "poisoned apples" quip refers to Snow White? Who really cares? I was just listening to Megan McArdle; she was giving one of her disquisitions on "affective polarization" and how it relieves ardent believers on either side of the need to deal with the substance of the issue. Well, at least you did. Try and bring up the topic of "Indian Residential Schools" here in Canada and see how far you get. It's a strange phenomenon.
Thanks for the reading list and as always, thanks for the gift links.
Well I'm very grateful for your reasoned and thoughtful discussions on such important topics. Please keep going (and remember that the reasonable people who follow you are less likely to shout about it on social media!)
Thanks for the Cantor link to the WPATH controversies. It’s worse than I thought when you actually read them. This is so far from what internal assessment and standard creation should be that I am shocked that anyone would listen to WPATH now.
I especially like how they pile on the American Association for Pediatrics by saying that AAP doesn’t know what it’s saying and has junior members writing their standards. AAP is referenced all the time as evidence that pediatric gender medicine has a rational basis.
I love the Don Camillo books too. Have you watch the films? Dubbed. Terrence Stamp (I think) as the priest, his eyes a bright blue. I watched them as a kid.
Films? No! I have to find them! My Dad loved the Don Camilo books, so us siblings* read and loved them too. I really thought they had been forgotten, so glad to find out that others love them too.
*We’ve ended up with a priest and a communist in the family. Inevitable, really.
Having a priest in the family means you're golden I'm the afterlife. My father confirmed a boy who ended up being a Franciscan monk, so I'm double golden.
Just FYI, I’m pretty sure Peterson’s reference to ‘poisoned apples’ is associated with the Grimms’ fairy tale, Snow White and the Seven Dwarves. There’s a lot to explore in the tale’s mirror motif within the context of our culture (of narcissism/ Cf Christopher Lasch) not to mention the unconsciousness engendered by the apples. I find it quite tragic to compare the Jordan Peterson of today with Professor Peterson from his teaching days at UTo.
Thanks for the gift link! I think the "super-saver combo deal of correct opinions" is about right, we should all head to the pick n mix of individual views on complicated issues. Not great bumper sticker material though
Keep going Helen. Your voice is balance and reason personified.
I saw that pile-on. Idiots.
By coincidence, I’m rereading Gaudy Night. Perfect comfort reading, and a good novel too.
Enjoying The Genius Myth on Audible immensely. Have given it to the most intellectually arrogant person I know as a birthday present….
I hadn’t thought of the potential for passive-aggressive gifting!
Your ability to remain sane, balanced and compassionate in the face of all that gets thrown at you is amazing, admirable, and inspiring. Thank you for continuing to engage, and for the summer read tips that might help the rest of us retain some balance as well!
I was EXTREMELY angry at Peterson on your behalf, especially the accusation that you are new to the gender wars. You said that that was one subject you both agreed on DURING the infamous interview! Since he keeps on harping back to it it's odd that he's forgotten that part. & it's not a competition but I'd guess you've got as much stick from your views (and loss of earnings, contracts etc) as he has, if not more. Anyway. My absolute fave summer read is To Say Nothing of the Dog by Connie Willis. A sweet, thoughtful, engaging book.
I'm venturing to guess that for some conservative men like Petersen and Matt Walsh it's important, as the tide turns, to position themselves as Having Known All Along Unlike You Dumb Feminists.
Along with “where are the feminists?” while women were banned from Reddit, Twitter, etc for attempting to speak about where the more extreme aspects of gender ideology were going, there’s now a concerted effort being made to pretend that no left leaning person anywhere noticed anything amiss until American right wingers did.
I guess on the miniscule chance that Peterson *was* using the Charli XCX version, you could just reply with a link to Von Dutch whose lyrics are perfect as a riposte.
On books having sex scenes the TV shows don’t have, when I as about 12 my mum gave me the book of Jaws to read, about halfway through there’s a 2 page fairly graphic sex scene between Brody and his wife (from memory)
For decades I thought this was my mum’s sneaky way of having the talk with me but then a few years ago I bought it up and it turns out mum had no idea what I was talking about and had just completely forgotten that scene was in the book 😀
I think it’s Hooper - he and Mrs Brody have an affair in the novel.
This is like the labiaplasty subplot in The Godfather
Yup.
That sounds more likely now you mention it, the main reason it stuck in my head wasn’t the plot but my mistaken theory it was my mum’s cowardly way of having the talk with me 😀
"Defy the gods" is also hubristic and fits with a contemporary superego that views humility, uncertainty, and openness to the insights of others as pathetic and weak
Peck out that liver!
I believe the "poisoned apples" quip refers to Snow White? Who really cares? I was just listening to Megan McArdle; she was giving one of her disquisitions on "affective polarization" and how it relieves ardent believers on either side of the need to deal with the substance of the issue. Well, at least you did. Try and bring up the topic of "Indian Residential Schools" here in Canada and see how far you get. It's a strange phenomenon.
Thanks for the reading list and as always, thanks for the gift links.
The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Klay - Michael Chabon
Well I'm very grateful for your reasoned and thoughtful discussions on such important topics. Please keep going (and remember that the reasonable people who follow you are less likely to shout about it on social media!)
Thanks for the Cantor link to the WPATH controversies. It’s worse than I thought when you actually read them. This is so far from what internal assessment and standard creation should be that I am shocked that anyone would listen to WPATH now.
I especially like how they pile on the American Association for Pediatrics by saying that AAP doesn’t know what it’s saying and has junior members writing their standards. AAP is referenced all the time as evidence that pediatric gender medicine has a rational basis.
Thanks for alerting me to the Jill Paton Walsh novels! Summer reading taken care of.
Thrones, Dominations is my favourite and the most Sayers-like I think.
I love the Don Camillo books too. Have you watch the films? Dubbed. Terrence Stamp (I think) as the priest, his eyes a bright blue. I watched them as a kid.
Films? No! I have to find them! My Dad loved the Don Camilo books, so us siblings* read and loved them too. I really thought they had been forgotten, so glad to find out that others love them too.
*We’ve ended up with a priest and a communist in the family. Inevitable, really.
Having a priest in the family means you're golden I'm the afterlife. My father confirmed a boy who ended up being a Franciscan monk, so I'm double golden.
⭐️⭐️
Re: Jumping Lumberjack -- oh for a world where the only nighttime entertainment is tickle fights among the lads!
Just FYI, I’m pretty sure Peterson’s reference to ‘poisoned apples’ is associated with the Grimms’ fairy tale, Snow White and the Seven Dwarves. There’s a lot to explore in the tale’s mirror motif within the context of our culture (of narcissism/ Cf Christopher Lasch) not to mention the unconsciousness engendered by the apples. I find it quite tragic to compare the Jordan Peterson of today with Professor Peterson from his teaching days at UTo.
Thanks for the gift link! I think the "super-saver combo deal of correct opinions" is about right, we should all head to the pick n mix of individual views on complicated issues. Not great bumper sticker material though